"Homicide's illegal and death is the penalty
justifies the homicide, when he dies?
In his own
iniquity it's the
Master of the Mantis Rapture
comin at cha
We have an APB on an MC Killer
Looks like the work of a Master
indicates that's it's stature
Merciless like a
terrorist hard to capture
The flow, changes like
Plays like a friend, and stabs you
like a dagger
This technique attacks the immune
Disguised like a lie paralyzin the victim
You scream, as it enters your bloodstream
your brain from the pain these thoughts contain
Movin on a nigga with the speed of a centipede
and injure - ANY M'F*%$ŁN CONTENDER"
Wu Tang Clan fan doesn’t recognize the above lyrics?
The year was 1993 and with only one single verse on
the debut album, Masta Killa rightfully earned his
spot in the Wu camp and the fans’ hearts.
Fast skip to today, almost twenty years later. Masta
Killa is still at it as we saw him recently set up
his new site, and in the process use it to offer
fans a new album out of nowhere. “Selling My Soul”,
offered in several packages, even in a deluxe box
set for the collectors which can be purchased
his site, It is not the long awaited “Loyalty is
Royalty” fans been anticipating though they did
recognize some leaked tracks. Many wondered
immediately if they would even see “Loyalty” ever
drop? And what about that recent RZA tweet,
announcing a meeting with all Generals to discuss
the 20th anniversary this week (and a possible new
Wu-Tang album as hinted)?
As most fans know
Masta Killa rarely does interviews and prefers to
keep a low - profile mediawise. Wu-International had
the unique privilege of talking about all this and
much more with Masta Killa just this week so we are
very proud to present you this interview. Prepare
for a great ride because ‘the Master of Mantis
Rapture is comin at cha’ ! Enjoy …
I like to say thanks first and foremost for
taking the time to answer these questions, highly
appreciated, and will also point out that nothing will be
altered, edited or changed when this is published online.
Wu-International: Peace Masta Killa, how are you?
Masta Killa: Peace, I’m good, thank you.
Wu-International: A lot happened this last week on
all fronts. Sandy hit NY with devastating consequences,
Staten Island was hit badly, were you in NY when the storm
hit the city ?
Masta Killa: The storm definitely affected a
lot of things and families, a lot of areas: power outage,
water floods and things of that nature. I’m thankful nobody
lost their lives in the mix of it. Some families did
experience that and my heart goes out to them but for the
most part just power outage and the flood.
We hope you and your family are ok?
Masta Killa: Thank you, I appreciate that.
Wu-International: At the same time, “yin and yang” as
RZA twittered, his film “The Man with the Iron fist’
premiered in the US. Have you seen the film, what did you
think of it?
Masta Killa: I haven’t seen the film, I did have
the pleasure and the honour to be a part of the soundtrack.
I listened to the soundtrack from top to bottom: I love it.
I love the music but I’ve been doing so much. I was actually
supposed to go to the premiere of the movie and I wasn’t
able to go because I was preparing for the storm and getting
certain things ready so I really couldn’t afford to make it.
But yeah, the soundtrack, I don’t know if you’ve heard it
but the soundtrack is one of the most classic soundtracks
Yes, it’s very diverse but still very good, so do you plan
on seeing the film?
Masta Killa: Off course, I’m planning on
buying it and having it for a classic to go with all my
Wu-International: Also on Twitter there was the
announcement of RZA sitting down with the Clan this week to
talk about a new Wu Tang Clan album. With the 20th year
anniversary coming, it would be perfect timing. How do you
feel personally about a new Clan album?
Masta Killa: Well, RZA doesn’t even have to talk
to me about that cause he already knows where we at as far
as anything that has to be done as far as Wu-Tang, because
he knows that’s my heart, I know that’s his heart , that’s
where we come from. We’re brothers, that’s my family and if
that’s what’s going on then that’s what I’m part of, you
know what I mean? I love that thought, I love the idea. If
we would have had more consistent Wu-Tang albums, you
probably would never have got a solo Masta Killa album
because I will always prefer a Wu-Tang Clan album over doing
a solo album. That’s what I really love, that’s where my joy
and passion came from: my brothers. That was the inspiration
of everything that became solo or whatever you call it, it
all came from that foundation, you know.
Wu-International: True, now obviously this is not the
first time this has been discussed but it sounds serious
this time around, with everyone engaged in their own
projects and so on, how possible or rather how quick do you
think this reunion album is going to happen?
Masta Killa: I never really looked at
it like ... you know ... there will be no pressure. If we
gonna do an album or get together to do anything together
you know ... have you heard the soundtrack to the movie?
Wu-International: Well that’s great news. So I take
it you haven’t yet sat down with the rest this week then,
that’s still to happen?
Masta Killa: OK, well I’m just saying
like: I know anything that we put our determined idea into
motion, I know it will be on time and I know it will be a
great piece of work. I don’t think that it’s anything
difficult for us to do, you know. The only thing that will
be difficult is that we all have obligations and work that
we are a part of beside from what we do as a whole, but
besides that I can’t really see anything stopping whatever
we want ... and that wouldn’t even stop that.
Masta Killa: Uhm ... I mean, right now, you know
there’s still a lot of damage from the storm so I don’t really
know how everyone’s family has even been affected by that. I
don’t even really know where everyone is at this present day
and time because for a period of time even phone service was
very difficult. So due to a lot of ... even just regular
transportation is still not really at a 100% running
Wu-International: Off course, it’s not yet an
Masta Killa: Yeah, and roadways and things
of that nature so don’t get discouraged of the time
No no, I was just
Masta Killa: Yeah, yeah. Just know that we will ... I’m looking forward
to it and I think personally, my brothers are as well so
just know that that will happen.
Wu-International: Well, I think all Wu-Tang fans are
looking forward to it equally?
Masta Killa: I’m looking forward to this
Wu-International: Great, on a political level, we had
the presidential elections yesterday, Obama won. What do you
think of the result?
Masta Killa: I think that that’s a successful
thing. I think he has a big job man.
Wu-International: Indeed, it won’t be easy?
Masta Killa: It’s a very short period of time to cure the requests
of the world, you know? That’s a big responsibility but
enough respect to the President, doing what he does. Let’s
hope that he is more successful as far as how the public
sees it these next four years then he was in his last.
Wu-International: Raekwon and Ghostface asked people
to go vote on their Twitter page. Did you vote?
Masta Killa: No, I didn’t actually go vote , I didn’t.
Wu-International: With the storm and everything?
Wu-International: It messed up quite a few things.
Masta Killa: There was just a lot of other things you know, I mean to get
gas right now is difficult, you know what I mean? There’s
still a lot of things now that’s just not ...
Masta Killa: Yeah, yeah,
I’m glad he won but I wasn’t actually able to go and
support him physically.
Wu-International: Let’s talk about your
projects. A few weeks ago you surprised the fans by
announcing the “ Selling my soul” album out of nowhere on
your new website. Everyone was expecting the long announced
“Loyalty is Royalty” album instead. What made you decide to
bring this album out first?
(laughs) I think
from a hip-hop standpoint, I think that because my fans
might not think that ... You know most hip-hop classic
albums are the MC and the DJ/producer in the seat. Raekwon
has one of the most successful ... you may call it a solo
album but it really was a Wu-Tang Clan album which was the
Cuban Linx album.
Yes, everyone was on it.
Masta Killa: Yes, so for me being a fan of myself and hip hop I want to
maybe accomplish an album that would just be me and the DJ
or me and the producer and just have my lyrical skill and my
articulate talent respected from me and my vision and how I
see hip hop and how I see music in general you know because
whether it’s soul, hip hop, whatever you want to call it:
gospel, R’nB, rock’n roll, blues, jazz ... good music is
good music, something you can appreciate and something that
So you wanted “Selling my soul” to focus on you and not
on too many features?
Masta Killa: Yeah, not too many features, as a matter of fact I only had
one feature, but I do have work with my family and all that
but yeah this was the focal point of how I saw it.
So you could say that the tracks you’ve recorded over the
past years with other artists as features will be on
“Loyalty” then instead ?
Masta Killa: Maybe (laughs)
Wu-International: ... maybe ... (laughs) we’ll see.
Masta Killa: “Maybe,
maybe” ... you know I have a lot of work, I love to create
music so I have a lot of work, you know it’s just balls and
players, it all depends on how you want to shape it and mold
it and then bring it into existence.
Wu-International: There are a few tracks on there
that got leaked last year, those were initially announced to
appear on the “Loyalty is royalty”. Were these songs always
meant for “Loyalty is royalty”or did you have them in mind
for “ Selling my soul” actually? Because some of them are on
the tracklist of this one?
Masta Killa: Uhm, which tracks were that?
Wu-International: I remember seeing “R U
listening”, “Pt. 2” and “Things just ain’t the same”. On
youtube it was said to be on “Loyalty is royalty” so I was
surprised to see them on this tracklist?
Masta Killa: Right, right. No, what I had done was I had just
released some music, just to give the fans, that I know was
waiting so long, just to let them hear something.
Wu-International: Like an appetizer?
Masta Killa: Yeah, but people just automatically just started calling it
what they heard the title of the album was supposed to be:
“Oh, it’s on that one”. They just started associating it
with that. But I never made it a single or anything, I was
just leaking music out, just giving my fans that wanted to
hear something from me, just letting them have something to
listen to from me.
Wu-International: Was it also meant to get some
feedback from them or were you just putting them out?
Masta Killa: Off course, I’m always
interested in how it is received, off course yeah yeah.
Wu-International: Now those tracks we heard so
far all have a very mellow, relaxed feel to them. Will this
vibe be a constant factor throughout this album?
Masta Killa: I think it’s going to be a very
nourishing vibe, you know , (laughs) . I would like the fans
to absorb it and the people who are listening to it absorb
it and give me their feedback and how it affected them. I
know how I felt and the energy that I put into it was
definitely a nourishing energy. So let’s see how the fans
react and if they also feel like it was a nourishing meal to
Wu-International: Let’s find out next month. How
would you compare this album to the upcoming
“Loyalty is royalty”album?
Masta Killa: It’s just different
expressions of music. That’s the only comparison.
This album might be something that you might just
want to have a glass of wine too and next album
could be something you’d want to have some Hennessy
too, you know? Everything is just a different dish.
maybe this one will be a bit more relaxed then if I
Masta Killa: Uhm ... do you think my first
album was intense?
Hm, ... no.(laughs)
(laughs) Would you say it was relaxed or intense?
Wu-international: Well, more relaxed?
Masta Killa: More
relaxed, so would you say I had more of an aggressive style
when I was more early in hip hop maybe? (laughs)
Wu-International: Well, you’ve always had a very
mellow voice and a very peaceful pace ...so maybe that’s the
best type of music for your type of flow anyway?
yeah, the music that I have always appreciated and I think
that the people who supported the whole 20 year journey, I’m
just doing what they love also. And for the new fans who
might not be as aware as some people of the Wu tang music
and the variations of Chambers and you know ... What makes
Raekwon the Chef ? What makes Masta a Killa? What makes GZA
a Genius? Know what I’m saying? What makes RZA sharp? What
makes each individual who they are, you know? So, each
chamber, especially within itself, but each fan might not
get to see each volume. Cause you might like Kung Fu movies
but you might not have seen them all, you might have seen
your favourites and you were so good with that you just knew
you were good with that. But it’s, you know, with the Wu
Tang and with each individual there’s endless amounts of
Wu-International: yes, there is a LOT to be
discovered by new fans.
Wu-International: How far down are you with
“Loyalty is royalty”, is it completed or still in work?
Masta Killa: I just work, I just create.
What song might be a part of what might get determined on
the last moment, before the mastering (laughs). Because
sometimes when you have an accumulation of work, sometimes
you can forget about something that should have been a part
of something because you have work, you know? So I just
shape and mould the clay as it comes, I don’t make it
difficult, I love to create music and that’s what I do. I
just let it form itself, even name itself, you know?
Wu-International: And is there a release date you
and the label have in mind for that album then?
Well, since the fans been waiting so long for that album,
they was looking for “Royalty”, I’m not gonna make ‘em wait
Wu-International: So would you say sometime next
year then, hopefully?
Yeah, let’s say somewhere along that time frame.
Ok, that sounds promising . Something else I was wondering:
is the track “Pt 2” the same song as the “Noodles Pt 2” we
saw appear on youtube last year?
Masta Killa: No,
no, no (laughs), that’s “Pt.2”
Wu-International: There are some songs on the album that
were produced by you. Not many know you produce or started
producing, we mainly knew you as an MC all these years. How
did you get into this?
Yeah, but I have spent a lot of nights on RZA’s floor when
he was doing what he was doing. (laughs)
Wu-International: So you were stealing with your
eyes ? (laughs)
(laughs) well, you know, talent is endless. You might not be
known for that but you might have been supporting that
system all along. I just want to know how fans will
appreciate “Selling my Soul”. I took my time and effort to
put it together, for it to be something nourishing for the
hip hop or to the musical universe. Hopefully it’s just well
Wu-International: Yes, I hope so too. How long
would you say you have you been working on beats? Is that
something recent ?
Masta Killa: I’ve been a fan
of music all my life. I mean, I can just remember being
small and sitting with my ear to the speaker and just
listening to every little instrument and everything from New
Earth and Parliament and so many groups that my mother was
playing their records in the house and stuff like that. I
can remember getting drum sets and playing “Very
superstitious” on the drums aaaall night (laughs). So I’ve
always loved music and been a fan of music and experimented
with in many ways and variations you know?.
We didn’t know you played the drums ?
Masta Killa: I knooooow (laughs) I knooooow!
Do you still play the drums occasionally?
Masta Killa: Well, off course but it’s like ... I roller skate too but I
haven’t done it in a while, you know? (laughs) That’s like,
that’s something , yeah
Wu-International: Once a drummer, always a drummer
Masta Killa: Yeah, I guess so (laughs)
Wu-International: Well, I guess it helps when writing
cause drumming is all about rythm and timing, and so is
MC’ing. It must be an advantage.
Masta Killa: That’s
right, that’s right, exactly, it all goes together. It’s
just how you might express it. You might express it
lyrically or productively through bringing sounds together
Wu-International: So has MK caught the
producers bug and can fans expect to see more of you on
beats and subsequently even going as far as producing for
Masta Killa: Uhm … I’m gonna always
definitely create music, as long as I can do that, that’s
just something that I passionately do. If someone wants to
work with me and if I can put something together and if I
can make it acceptable and it can be a hit , a smash … yeah,
I’m willing to do that, always.
Wu-International: One would assume working close to
RZA behind boards over the years gave you an advance start
as an aspiring producer, but you have also worked with
others such as Mathematics, 4th Disciple and many more, who
would you say inspired you to start making beats?
Masta Killa: Well, making a
beat is really knowing music. I’ve known music all my life
through RZA. I’ve known music all my life from being a
student of music, to listening to my father singing music,
to hearing that my mother would bring from the record store
and put on the turntable and dance to. So I grew up on
music, to hearing the records that my mother would bring
from the record store and put on the turntable and dance to.
So I grew up on music, when you have a rhythm and you are going to put
sounds together, it’s just basically what you love and if
you can create that or if you can find something from a
record that’s inspiring and turn that into something, then
that’s a beautiful thing.
Wu-International: What would you say you have learned
from RZA throughout all these years or anyone else as a
Masta Killa: Well, RZA is one of the greatest producers that ever
produced within the hip hop or music industry, period. His
first albums that he produced , which were the Clan and the
solo albums, were all classic albums, you know? So being a
part of that, it’s like … lyrically sparring with these same
people in the studio. You’re gonna automatically write
better, you’re gonna automatically flow better because of
who you’re indulging in within the sport that you’re both
participating in, and it’s elevating your game, whether it’s
producing or writing a rhyme. This is what you’re rubbing
Wu-International: You single “Cali Sun” was something
fans considered to be slightly different from the typical MK
sound, what or how do you respond to this?
Masta Killa: “What sound is the Masta Killa
sound?” I would say?
Wu-International: Well, this one was more like
the West Coast sound?
Masta Killa: But what I’m saying is ”What
sound is the Masta Killa Sound?”
Well, let’s say most fans would expect a more Wu orientated
sound when they listen to a Masta Killa album, no?
Masta Killa: Now,
if you can hear which way a Masta Killa is coming ... would
he be a Masta Killa? Or would you have to appreciate the
sound that he’s bringing? Because the question is “Was the
music Killa?” (laughs) Because to kill something is to
simply do it to perfection, whatever that is, that’s why
people say “He killed it!” What they did, they did it to
perfection. Whatever style of music that may be ... did he
kill it? Then that was a masterpiece.
Wu-international: The album version on your album
features Kurupt. How did this collabo come about? When it
appeared on Youtube, that didn’t have Kurupt on it?
Riiight, the first version of that had actually two
different cuts from the album that I just wanted to once
again give the fans, something for them to see, without
giving them everything, you know?
Wu-International: A Little taste?
Yeah, a little taste! Just a few things, letting them know
that things is cooking, I got things in the pot and the food
is almost ready (laughs) That’s all that was. And then
bringing it back with the one you saw with Kurupt already,
was just to fortified let you know: “It’s serious, it’s
Wu-International: That one was the full dish then?
Masta Killa: Yeah
(laughs) Here it is
Wu-International: The title “selling my soul” could
be , let’s say, misinterpreted as I have read in places it
is you having a go at commercial music and not your usual
sound, can you please explain to the fans why you have
called the album “ Selling my soul”?
Masta Killa: “ Selling my soul”, I know
that most people will perceive it maybe as something
negative but in actuality when you create something of
yourself, when you put that energy into it, it’s a part of
the soul, of the inner-self. And we are in this business of
... money ! (laughs) So you know, we’re selling a part of us
every time with every rhyme, every rhyme that I’ve written
is a part of me, a part of the soul, a part of my
creativity. I mean: anything that is an expression of you,
you know. RZA’s new movie: that’s an expression of something
he always wanted to do. It’s a part of his internal self, a
part of his soul because that is something he always wanted
in effect, on that type of scale. So you know, that’s a part
of his soul. But the title, I know people don’t really
understand sometimes or misinterpret?
Wu-International: Would you like to work more with
other MCs outside of Wu and NY, and if so who would you like
to work with in future?
I’m a fan of music, so for me to say exactly who at this
moment ? There’s so many names I could name and so many
names I would forget. But with being in a large family like
the Wu Tang family, there’s not really very many people in
the music industry that my family didn’t have direct contact
with and worked with in the business. There’s so many of us
that had branches that touched a Mary J, that touched a
Biggie , many different artists . There’s so many artists
that, you know, so I enjoyed all of that ! But it’s just
music and creativity never ends. There’s so much more still
to do all of these years. I’ve known Kurupt for years, it’s
something that we were supposed to do then, but being able
to still live out and manifest visions you might have had
years ago, once again, shows the endlessness of being
Wu-International: True, you usually had your son as
well as other younger mcs featured on your projects, this is
a unique feature that seems missing from “ Selling my soul”
, any reason why and will this be something you will add to
“Loyalty is royalty”?
Yes, yes, I definitely will, I tried to get him on this one
but certain things didn’t go as planned. I always love
working with my son you know. I can’t wait till he takes it
Speaking of your son, what’s his MC name, as we know him as
Jamiel Arief junior, or young Jamiel Arief, are there any
other names he goes by?
Masta Killa: No,
his name is Shamel: S-H-A. that’s his name. (laughs) I never
heard him say anything else on the microphone on the little
songs that he has done so that is the only name that I know
he goes by.
Wu-International: Seems most clan member’s children are
involved in music, and rightfully so, GZA, Ghost, Meth,
U-God and you, what plans or vision do you have for your son
as far as the music industry goes?
Well, my vision might not necessarily be my son’s vision.
When you’re planting a seed and you’re nurturing it, you can
only strive that it will receive the blessing that you’re
giving it and that it will be able to express it to its
highest form, that will not necessarily lead out to your
vision because also children living in these days and times,
where they have a lot of influences from a lot of different
other ... you know outside things that children of today are
influenced by. So, the path is always here, he loves music,
he does it but how serious he will take it? Only time will
tell, my studio is always open, and i know he does his thing
on his own so, we’ll see.
Wu-International: Wu-Tang is forever, and it seems
your sons will carry on this tradition and legacy as well as
its affiliates. RZA has a lot of protégé’s and students
under him, same for Ghost, Rae and almost every member from
the clan except for you it seems, is there anyone or even
groups other than your son that you have your eyes on or
mentor and looking to present to the world sometime soon?
Well, talent is endless in the world, especially where I
come from: Brooklyn, New York. And I know many talented
people and everyone basically has their own vision of how
they want to express their talent. If our work,
between the both of us, brings us to a point where we meet
in our careers and someone and then help them, maybe achieve
or lead to a certain level or place where they felt that it
would be more successful for them, and they feel that I
played a part in that and helped them? Then that’s a
blessing but to me there’s still so much to do within my own
career and my own family that that is my first focus. We
spoke about my son, that’s always my focus, you know what I
mean? I know countless talented people, so you know...
Wu-International: Speaking of talented people,
in a recent interview Sean Price said he had worked on a
track with you. Is this to be used for “Loyalty is royalty”
or is that still to be decided?
Masta Killa: Yeah, yeah. Me and Sean P, we definitely threw down some
work for a joint but like I said, it’s like a ball of clay.
Where I’m going to place it, you’re going to have to wait to
see what pot of soup that I’ll be serving today (laughs).
Well, I had to try (laughs). I was going to ask if you could
share with us any other features you have for “Loyalty is
royalty” but I guess it’s back to the clay thing then ?
Masta Killa: (laughs out
loud) You’ll know what’s on the menu in time !!! But
hopefully you won’t be disappointed with any meals that I
Apart from yourself, Mathematics, Deck and PF Cuttin
there are some lesser known beatmakers to be discovered such
as Blackinati, Mediate Soul and Koolade. How did you chose
Those were people I was affiliated with at one point or
another in my career, during my times of travel and 9th
Wonder also played a part on this album.
Wu-International: Yes, true. I missed that one.
Masta Killa: Yeah, so you know, people I worked
with through the course of time.
Wu-International: The new album is presented in
different packages: CD, CD + LP, deluxe box set,... We saw
the same approach for RZA’s movie score and soundtrack. Was
this your idea or a label decision?
Masta Killa: No, this was what I’ve been putting
together, one of the things that I’ve been working on,
shaping and moulding and now it’s being presented. It’s part
of the visison.
Wu-International: With those extra packages and
digital dl bonuses on that card, most die hard MK fans would
already have all your albums, popular consensus suggest that
the fans would have preferred say the instrumentals of your
previous albums as bonuses, is this something you would
consider doing maybe sometime soon or in future?
Inspectah Deck: I definitely thought about that,
that’s definitely a thought.
Wu-International: So maybe in the near future?
Masta Killa: Yeah, that’s definitely a thought,
definitely. I just would like to hit you with a few more
pots of soup before I give you that dish.
Wu-International: Some say offering these type of
deluxe packages like yours, and the RZA score box set and
Rae’s Getondown box set , a lot of things like that are
happening and some say?
Masta Killa: Excuse me, pardon, but doesn’t GZA
have a box set that he just did also, with the chess pieces
or something like that?
Wu-International: Yes, yes, off course and there’s
the ODB one with the wallet. So we’ve got quite a few this
year. Some say is a necessary evolution to attract more
sales again in this age of downloads. What do you think of
Masta Killa: I think that the world is
experiencing definitely times where things might be a little
bit more important to buy at the moment than an album. It
could be natural occurrences but it depends on how it
effects your life you know ? You might have to go buy a
generator, so thinking about how the world is and the climate
of everything in these days, to give someone a little bit
more is saying a little bit more than an album anyway, it’s
just giving a little bit back. That’s how I see it.
Wu-International: Well, for Wu collectors these
are expensive days but also great days with all these
special sets coming out. How are the pre-orders going for
the album, are you happy with the numbers?
Masta Killa: I don’t really get caught up in the
numbers, it’s a thought of creativity that I’ve seen come to
birth. You know like RZA’s film: whether 10 people went out
to see “Man with the Iron Fists” or 10,000 ... it’s the
thought that was brought into existence from a thought! So
seeing my creativity come to life I’m always pleased with
that. Numbers will come as time moves on but you have to
first do something before you see something . I see my work
come to life and I’m very pleased with that.
Wu-International: Speaking of the RZA
soundtrack, the entire Clan was at least once on the album.
You were on the clan cut “6 directions of boxing”. It had
been a while since we had a real clan track. What was it
like working on a clan track again and how did it all come
Masta Killa: You know ... it came about by
just saying “This is what’s happening, this is what’s going
down”. Who’s not going to want to be a part of what you are
already a part of?
Wu-International: So you were excited to work on a
Clan track again, I bet?
Masta Killa: I’m always
excited, like I said I love working with my brothers, off
Wu-International: Yeah, and it had been a while. Were
you all in the studio together to record this song?
Masta Killa: Some of us, at some point in time, yeah, some of us. I went
Wu-International: The last Clan album had to deal
with a lot of inner circle criticism afterwards, something
you did not get involved with. What do you think it will
take to avoid this type of situation with a possible new
Masta Killa: A situation as far as what?
Well, where you had Raekwon and Ghostface for instance
saying they didn’t like the production when the album came
out. There was some commotion when it came out.
Masta Killa: Well,
I can’t really speak for how Rae and Ghost were feeling
about a particular song or track. Sometimes not everybody
likes the same thing. Sometimes things can be before its
time or before your time and then when you go back and listen
to it you’re like “Daaaaamn, I should have been on that !
But I didn’t hear then, what I hear now?” you know ?
Sometimes when a person is being creative, and RZA is far
more creative musically now then the days when he was just
programming things on the ASR. You’re talking about someone
who’s grown from the SP or AS to just playing every
instrument, you know?
Yes, he’s less limited now
Yeah! So when a person is experimenting with that type of
creativity of music, automatically their shit is going to
get more crazy and on a different level of music. Now you
might be looking for that ASR sound, what you were expecting
when coming into the studio, and he probably got billions of
those ! But his knowledge of where music was maybe going or
sonically where we maybe should have been, was just his
vision of how he saw it. That’s how I look at it, him being
the producer of all the albums in the beginning that was
successful, I’m always going to go with that bet before I go
with anything, you know.
Wu-international: Yeah, well I’ve always enjoyed
that album and never really understood what the complaints
were about. It had indeed a different sound but I still love
Right! That’s the same thing with “Selling my soul”. That’s
why I said: “What is the MK sound?” Cause you weren’t
looking for “ 8 Diagrams” to sound like that because you’re
thinking about the RZA. But what is RZA’s sound when
creativity is endless? So how can you box a Masta Killa
sound into a Wu-Tang sound when I’m always being creatively
stimulated by things of the past of things present or things
that I’ve brought into existence myself? So, you can’t box
anything in, you have to see the growth and development of
it. Either you can appreciate it at the time, maybe you
can’t . Maybe it can take 10 years for you to catch up, you
Wu-International: It’s been 20 years pretty soon
since “36 Chambers” changed hip hop and your lives. How does
that make you feel realizing it’s almost been 20 years?
It’s like “Maaaaan, the time went by so faaaaast”. (laughs)
Wu-International: “We are getting oooold !”
Nah, “I’m getting better !” (laughs) So, you know, it’s
just, the time went by so quick, before you know it. It’s
been a lot of work within that time, but there’s still a lot
to do so hopefully we’ll be blessed to keep doing it.
Wu-International: Yes, fingers crossed, they do say
“Time flies when you’re having fun”. What period would you
say was the most fun during those 20 years, and why?
Masta Killa: (laughs) Maaaan, the whole
ride is fun and the ride still ain’t over ! Whether you’re
on the bus and the bus is crowded with everybody ? Or you
might be on the bus by yourself at this point, but the bus
is still moving.
Wu-International: And you’re still on it.
And I’m still riding so it’s still fun .
Wu-International: That’s good to hear. Now there’s
fun times and there’s worse times. I can imagine the death
of ODB must have been one of the worst periods in those 20
years. How would you say ODB’s passing has impacted on the
Clan and hip-hop in general?
We lost many, I love my brother. Ason Unique, Ol’ Dirty, but
we lost many great people in hip-hop. Whenever you loose
anybody from a community that everyone is familiar with,
with their creativity and what they’ve given to the world,
they are gonna be missed dearly because you appreciated it
when they were expressing it. Group wise or personally,
that’s just something that was before his time and can never
be replaced as far as a group. Like the Temptations, they
are still doing it? I think they are still performing and
Yeah, could be, but I’m not sure
Yeah, probably so. Well, how can you get like another
Temptations ? There can never be another Ol' Dirty like to
come in and fill his space in the group. Now his son, he’s
talented , he’s doing some things himself, Young Dirty so
you are always going to see an expression but Dirty himself
will be missed from here to eternity.
Wu-International: You have a song with ODB on your new album
called “Dirty Soul”. When was this song recorded?
I had a tribute, a tribute. I was thinking about different
soulful artists that affected my creativity or how I enjoyed
music over the years. And when you think about soulful
people, it’s impossible to think about soul and not think
about Ol’ Dirty ! He was like the soul of the Wu. I was just
thinking and reflecting, I just actually said one of his
rhymes. Because the beat that I was reflecting on, was
something to me that he would have rhymed on. So I said one
of his rhymes and that’s something that Dirty would do, you
know what I’m saying ? (laughs) He might say the rhyme on
two different people’s albums (laughs).
Wu-International: Yeah, he believed in recycling?
Masta Killa: Yeah,
Wu-International: When looking at the tracklist the
song says “featuring ODB”. Are you referring to the rhyme
you used from him or is he actually to be heard on the
Masta Killa: You
might hear something from him on the track, yes..
Ok, Thanks very much for your time, we are looking forward
to your projects as well as future endeavors.
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